Posts by Sea Breeze

Thanks Person. Yes, The WT tries to prop up their 2-class system (rebellion against the free gift of Justification or Salvation) by trying to establish:

* one salvation with the New Covenant (Justification) and another salvation without Justification

* one salvation for the limited number sons of God, and another salvation without being a child of God - but still recognized as "friends".

This does not line up with scripture at all. There is not one group named children (sons) who get a free gift and another group named "friends" who work for their salvation in scripture.

Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

The apostles only taught one way to get saved - to willingly receive it. The apostles never taught some two-class system of getting saved; otherwise Christ is of "no effect".

The WT doctrine of "new light" is utterly destroyed in Gal. 2: 8-9:

8 though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we (the apostles) have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

The WT and JW's will admit that the apostles NEVER preached a two-class system of salvation.

Yet, JW's continue to preach it anyway. They have zero fear of God. It is astonishing.

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Justification

by Sea Breeze in

the..."other sheep...are...not even justified".

- wt 1938 pg.

jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.

Sea Breeze

@ aqwsed

Are you Roman Catholic?

What do you think about this short 3 minute read about the RCC position on Justification?

What Does the Roman Catholic Church Believe About Justification?

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My defense speech before the judicial committee

by Disfellowshipped-Brother in

dear brothers!.

we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.

it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.

Sea Breeze

At the end, on of the elders warned me not to set foot in the kingdom hall, or they would call the police.

I thought all the governments were controlled by the devil. The police simply work for the government. Why are they asking the devil to protect their teachings?

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Justification

by Sea Breeze in

the..."other sheep...are...not even justified".

- wt 1938 pg.

jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.

Sea Breeze

@ aqwsed

What do you think of Romans 5: 1, 9 as a simple defense of the Christian faith while talking to a JW?

I think I will use this next cart I run across. I appears to be unrefutable.

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God and Unicorns

by Sea Breeze in

atheist scientists now agree that "elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans.

all they had to do was read their bible to know that.

job 39:9 “will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”.

Sea Breeze

Atheist scientists now agree that "Elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans. All they had to do was read their bible to know that.

Job 39:9 “Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”

Job 39:10 “Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow?

Psalm 22:21 “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn:

Deuteronomy 33:17 “his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth"

Numbers 23:22 “God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.”

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How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

"do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

Sea Breeze

Maybe if You can't leave?

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Justification

by Sea Breeze in

the..."other sheep...are...not even justified".

- wt 1938 pg.

jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.

Sea Breeze

The..."other sheep...are...not even justified". - WT 1938 pg. 104-105

JW's are internationally famous for rejecting the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26: 27-28) at their perversion of the Lord's Supper.

While JW's have a long drawn out "explanation" of why they do this, two verses in Romans plainly state the consequences for this heretical act of defiance against this free gift of "Justification".

No, the WT hasn't used the word "justification" in a long time. They prefer to use the term, "declared righteous". No biggy. The point is that almost all JW's will agree that they are not justified or declared righteous by the blood of Jesus.

However Romans 5: 1 states that we have peace with God by being justified (declared righteous) by our faith.

Furthermore, Romans 5: 9 states : "being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

Q for JW's - If you are not justified, how are you going to escape the wrath of God?

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What Is Your Favorite Graphic Depicting the WT Experience?

by Sea Breeze in

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friends

here's mine: .

Sea Breeze

All excellent!

I cant find that image the Road to Nowhere mentioned. This one is pretty close. And I agree this is hard to beat:

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I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

by BeaverEater in

jw
friends

im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

lol.

Sea Breeze

The stories and other assertions found in the Bible are claims, not evidence.

And, the unfounded assumption that the universe appeared out of nothing (the standard atheist worldview) and that all phenonoma is a product of chance, chaos, and disinterested self-guidance is also not evidence.

That is a fallacious strawman argument. It is not the question here is it Jeffro? We are talking about consistency and logic - correct thinking. The question that thinking people what to know is how atheists come to put so much trust in things like logic in a chance and self-guided universe? It is an inherent inconsistency.

Like the 'law of gravity', the 'laws of logic' are simply descriptions of the way things are, not prescriptions.

That doesn't make any sense. Gravity is a description of the way matter attracts other physical things. It is irrelevant to abstract thoughts like laws of logic, laws of morality etc.

If I say a proposition has the opposite truth value of its negation, what aspect of the physical universe am I talking about? Likewise, If I say it is wrong to steal from your neighbor, what part of the physical universe am I describing?

And, while we are on the subject of relevancy, why would a consistent worldview be important to someone who believes that we are products of Big bang explosions, chemical accidents and copying mistakes?

In my worldview, I am obligated to try and think correctly because God himself created me with the capacity for correct thinking. Since I don't always think correctly, I need laws of logic to keep me on course. That makes sense.

But, in your worldview - why should you care about correct thinking at all? Why care about universal morality? And, how can you account for its existence?

In other words, since blind chance cannot account for such laws, you have to borrow God's laws in order to argue against a biblical worldview.

You are like a man giving a talk about the non-existence of air, while breathing air to make your case.